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Is Gandhi responsible for Nehru & His lineage reign in India?

We all know that things are worst.. When flood comes we don't say that it was due to the last drop of rain, but we say it was due to heavy raining since 3 days.. What I mean is, should/can we blame Gandhi for actions of Nehru & his lineage? or just them..

Keeping aside history, if we speak about Sonia 'Gandhi' and Rahul 'Gandhi'.

- Subramanyam Swamy made open allegations, filed case in Suprime Court.

- But no news papers/ Media reported it properly.

- No police actions / Court actions were taken.

Rahul Vinci was his name, he changed to Gandhi to fool Indians, His educational certificates (submitted to electoral board) were fake, he was behind micro-finance company which literally tortured people like hell, He was arrested in Boston Airport for carrying drugs & huge amounts of money and was traveling with Italian (Rahul Vinci) passport (Sonia made underground calls to acquit him); Gang raping a girl Sukanya (at Amethi) along with his friends..

KGB and other allegations, similarly on Sonia "Gandhi". Media hides Sonia's foreign tours why, it talks about chota bachan's poop & fart.. But hides sonia's foreign trips..

For Ex: if I travel with a Italian passport, (at the same time having Indian passport) will supreme court pardon me, by not even sending me a notice, does our media be quiet on this does our police not arrest me. If I submit a forged document for EC to be MP and late PM, will it just consider it and later finding the truth just keep quiet?

Now where we stand:

1. Either all these allegations are false.. (It's up to you to decide)

2. Our courts, Police, Media are sold so forget about Govt.. and freedom, democracy..

My point is can we hold our 'Mahatma Gandhi' anyway responsible for this and the people who bang to be Gandhian have any responsibility to save 'Gandhi' name from maligning..

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Comment by Suresh Kumar Pupala on December 13, 2011 at 3:33pm: @Balamurali Sir,

Thank you sir, finally...

So, it is resolved,Mahatma Gandhi can not be clubbed with Sonia or Rahul..

Anyways we can't just blame past for the today's conditions; we have to know the past to just learn lessons to deal with today and build tomorrow..

Comment by Balamurali Balaji on December 13, 2011 at 3:20pm: As this discussion goes around so much about the naming by "Gandhi", Suresh, you might've got the answer for your original question, "Is Gandhi responsible...?"

He was not responsible for the influence or inspiration he created on Nehru, Feroz or Indira, or even Rahul.

What I'd like to imply is that this not about discussing Nehru congress, Indira congress, even Ragul congress. Neither RSS for that matter.

Comment by Suresh Kumar Pupala on December 13, 2011 at 2:24pm: @Deepak Dholakia,

Brother, please if you hate the topic or my comments just reply about what my comment is.. And i request you don't make imaginary assumptions about me.

Your adamant hatred towards RSS Propaganda is initiating interest in me to know it, what they have done to make the pseudo-secular people to hate it?

If you don't have guts to face the truth, or give reasonable arguments just better keep off my posts... And just using demeaning or prejudiced comments like RSS propaganda clearly gives the impression that how successful Macaulay is and how successful our pseudo-secular media is..

Saffron Terror, Hindu Terror... Have ever our media dared to say Muslim Terror?? If RSS people has done anything wrong it just expression limits of tolerance to unbearable bias..

If people are egoistic, they can never open their eyes, even though they know that they might be wrong, they stick to their ideas by closing ears to others voice...

Please I request you to give me RSS Propaganda.. So that I can see how much false they teach..

According to you I propagate RSS agenda because I say:

- Gandhi was wrong in abolishing Non-cooperation movement..

- Gandhi -Bhagath

- Gandhi - Sardar

- Gandhi - Bose

- Gandhi - Muslims (Pakistan & India)

- and Gandhi - Nehru

- Because I support some of statements of Savarkar..

- Because I think that court was hiding something in P.N Oak's case

The truth is when I make such statements your prejudiced ego gets hurt, and instead of searching for truth you try to block my thoughts by saying RSS Propaganda.. Such closed eyes can't see that, I admire Gandhi: his life style, his ideas like Nai Talim, Gram Swaraj, Defending Ancient Indian Education & Technology (he debated with many British saying they ruined a beautiful tree, Dharampal was result of this debate), his purity/sacredness, his philosophy of religion & universal acceptance and his sincere attempt to bring peace. and many more...

But I am not a fanatic of any I shall take good from all shunning the bad, I shall not up-hold any just because of my egoistic prejudice. I shall give-up my stand as soon as I find truth against my stand.

Comment by B.AMBALAVANAN on December 13, 2011 at 1:50pm: I HAVE ALREADY STATED THAT IT WAS A CUSTOM IN INDIA TO ADOPT THE FAMILY NAME OF FATHER"S RATHER THAN MOTHER"S.IN THE CASE OF FEROZEKHAN,HE WAS NAMED AS FEROZE GANDHI,ON THE EVE OF HIS MARRIAGE WITH INDIRA PRIYADHARSHINI NEHRU, SO THAT SHE MAY ADOPT THE GANDHI NAME IN FUTURE.I AM NOT BLAMING FEROZE BUT FLAMING NEHRU.

Comment by Suresh Kumar Pupala on December 13, 2011 at 1:42pm: "So you mean Nehru did not like his own name to continue. Although he was in power for 22 years"

If Feroz's name was Khan how come Indira's will be Nehru... I hope at least in India its an ancient custom to change wife's surname according to husbands.. thus her name can not be Indira Nehru but it could have been Indira Khan if Gandhi might have not intervened... and made Vedic Stage marriage after Quranic marriage in england mosque....

Comment by Suresh Kumar Pupala on December 13, 2011 at 1:37pm: @ All..

B.AMBALAVANAn is right, but some sources say his (feroz's) was called Ghandy not Gandhi.. but they never used it name.. so his name was Feroz Khan.. After secretly getting married to Indira Nehru (after converting to muslim) in England, nehru was upset and finally Gandhiji resolved it.. how only "gawd" knows... Do you know in Wikipedia I can make a page saying "Suresh the Right Hand of Shivaji"... no one stops me.. if Indian politicians can hide Bose information, and Publish NCERT books as they wish, what big deal of a wiki page??

FYI: I have read it already... Thanks..

Comment by Dipak Dholakia on December 13, 2011 at 11:40am: Mr. Suresh and Mr. Ambalavanan,

here is the link on Ferpze Gandhi for your information.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feroze_Gandhi

I have been telling Suresh to read something else, not just factually wrong RSS propaganda. If you still insist and are in a position to show evidence please contact Wikipedia and edit the story there your self. They will allow you to do so. you will need to sign up there.

Comment by Dipak Dholakia on December 13, 2011 at 11:34am: So you mean Nehru did not like his own name to continue. Although he was in power for 22 years. did people ever ask him to change his name from Nehru to Gandhi. Why should someone adopt some surname? Even otherwise, how could it be an issue? Former Prime Minister Chandrasekhar dropped Singh from his name,So, what do you want to prove/ You are not talking about who killed Gandhi and why. We are not discussing Rahul Gandhi. This forum is for discussing issues from Gandhian point of view.

Comment by B.AMBALAVANAN on December 13, 2011 at 11:19am: It was GANDHIJI,who recommended to JAWAHARLAL NEHRU to accept the love of INDIRA PRIYADHARSHINI NEHRU with FEROZE KHAN,he is not FEROZE GANDHI,as he was called then.His father was a MUSLIM&MOTHER A PARSI.I T IS CUSTOMARY IN INDIA,TO ADOPT THE FAMILY NAME OF FATHER"S SIDE.IN THE ABOVE CIRCUMSTACES,HOW CAN FEROZE KHAN COULD BE CALLED AS FEROZE GANDHI?JAWAHARLAL FOOLED INDIANS BY CHANGING HIS NAME AS FEROZE GANDHI,SO THAT IN FUTURE HIS DAUGHTER COULD BE CALLED AS INDIRA GANDHI.

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Comment by Suresh Kumar Pupala on December 12, 2011 at 12:03pm: @Dipak Dholakia,

About Feroz gandhi, I heard that story too.. so which one is true, I don't know.. But concerning Nehru family's history the other story seems plausible... anyhow that why I mentioned.

"Anyways I was not interested in how he got it.."

Let us consider your story is the original one, But how many Indians know the reality, and how many feel that feroz was adopted by Gandhiji and Rahul Gandhi is lineage of Gandhi & Nehru.

Most importantly I was not blaming Feroz, but Rahul who was brought-up & studied and even worked as Rahul Vinci, suddenly remembers his ancestral name 'Gandhi' just before entering Indian politics why?