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I would like to discuss two quotes from Arund Gandhi:

Arun Gandhi said: "You can quote me as saying Mahatma Gandhi would disagree with the Plowshares actions because they employ tactics of secrecy and destruction of property. I also think locking up the most courageous and devoted peace leaders for long prison terms is a way of weakening the peace movement. Those leaders could do much more for peace outside of jail than in it." ( The Jesus Journal - Summer 1995 - No. 77 - page 44 )

"Common people who are not directly involved in social debates and political conflicts have their lives to live, they become angry at those who are disturbing their lives or damaging property that has to be repaired using public funds. Thus the average person, whose support is often necessary for lasting success, is alienated. Rather than leading to a resolution, they escalate the conflict and create more deeply entrenched opponents." (Legacy of Love by Arun Gandhi – page 132)

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Comment by Dipak Dholakia on January 5, 2010 at 17:35
Dear William and Dear Balaji,
I cmae across this thread. William has responded to my 'Jesus and Gandhi' discussion with the same thoughts. So I have nothing to add here except that the arrest of peace leader cannot disturb the movement. It is a part of the game.I think, what William wants to say is indifference of peace movements to the destruction of public property, and the veil of secrecy around their actions.
By the way I would request Balaji to visit Jesus and Gandhi discussion. I have given a link there for my article. I would like you, Balaji to offer your comments
Comment by Balamurali Balaji on December 15, 2009 at 5:27
Dear Mr. William,

I have not read the book you mentioned. But, Gandhi and Jesus were truly the icons of the world and influenced it with the non-violent principle and actions. What I believe is that the tactics of secrecy and destruction of property is yet to come under the laws of non-violence and might be correct or unavailable in the days of Jesus or Gandhi. So, Arun's naturally differ from the author.
Comment by William F. Horan Jr. on December 12, 2009 at 17:06
Dear Mr. Balaji,
I don't think that the peace leaders in the USA understand the statements of Arun Gandhi. Let me give you an example. A new book, "Gandhi and Jesus" by Terrence J. Rynne which is a very good study of nonviolence, still does not take into account the tactics of secrecy and destruction of property. Arun Gandhi calls this book "An outstanding study of two great people and their message which is so misunderstood and maligned in mordern times". But the author himself probably would not ageee with the two quotes from Arun Gandhi.
Comment by Balamurali Balaji on December 12, 2009 at 5:13
Thanks for you comment Mr. Willam. I too think Gandhi's principle never admit such actions as they are violent. The leaders in the USA are good in such actions and continue to employ them, even though they understand the consequences.
Comment by William F. Horan Jr. on December 8, 2009 at 15:02
Dear Mr. Balaji,
Do you agree with the statement: "Mahatma Gandhi would disagree with the Plowshares actions because they employ tactics of secrecy and destruction of property"? Many of our "most courageous and devoted peace leaders" here in the USA don"t understand this.
Comment by Balamurali Balaji on December 8, 2009 at 9:00
Both the quotes are well said.

In the times of constructive peace movements, any blockade(like locking up, or arresting of a peace leader) will surely affect the other, external peace processes also as claimed by any governments. Leaders do have a understanding on the modus-operandi of any peace process outside their own peace movements and it needs a cooperation. If their hands are tied, it is the peace that gets damaged.

For any average person, his or her indirect involvement in a political conflict should go away to live peacefully.. The escalation of the conflict occurs not only due to their lives being disturbed but also due to the urge of direct participation in a debate or issue. When it becomes direct involvement, alienation should go away.

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